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Old 05-16-2018, 04:37 PM   #1
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Teachers protesting in my state.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/pol...211275859.html

Why are teachers more entitled than everyone else? If someone else gets a job that doesn't pay enough, they have to either suck it up or quit and get a different job. If a career doesn't pay what you demand, then why would you pursue that career?
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Old 05-16-2018, 05:23 PM   #2
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Why are teachers more entitled than everyone else? If someone else gets a job that doesn't pay enough, they have to either suck it up or quit and get a different job. If a career doesn't pay what you demand, then why would you pursue that career?
While I agree with the sentiment do you really want the few decent teachers that we may get to not pursue this career or to leave it because of poor pay?
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While I agree with the sentiment do you really want the few decent teachers that we may get to not pursue this career or to leave it because of poor pay?
Have the teachers demanding more pay been determined to be the best teachers?
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it should be performance based... unlike how it is here in CA for example...

reason ?

beginner teachers should get a baseline pay...
a good teacher is worth double the pay...
a great teacher is worth 3 times the pay...


everyone else should not be teaching
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Have the teachers demanding more pay been determined to be the best teachers?
Let me try that again.
Has it been determined/proven as fact that the teachers demanding more pay are the best teachers?
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Old 05-16-2018, 06:14 PM   #6
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Teachers should be paid more. They should also give both the teachers and the school the ability to discipline (or expel) pos kids. They should also get rid of tenure.

I have a lot of FB friends that teach if they aren't complaing about their job they are counting down to vacation.
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Old 05-16-2018, 06:23 PM   #7
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they are counting down to vacation.
Which they get a lot of. What other career do you get paid weeks off at a time (school vacation) every holiday, months off in the summer.
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Old 05-16-2018, 06:29 PM   #8
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Teachers should be paid more. They should also give both the teachers and the school the ability to discipline (or expel) pos kids. They should also get rid of tenure.

I have a lot of FB friends that teach if they aren't complaing about their job they are counting down to vacation.
In the district the OP link is, teachers make on average $67k annually -IF they worked 12mos a year? ($5X,000, because they only work 9mos a year).
How much should they make?

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By the way, that $67k is in NC, where the cost of living is low compared to a lot of places in the US.

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Which they get a lot of. What other career do you get paid weeks off at a time (school vacation) every holiday, months off in the summer.
No doubt: Thanksgiving, Christmas, Spring Break and Summer. My other favorite is the complaint about not having a single day off in April! These are also the same people who try to tell you they "work" more than the average person.
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Which they get a lot of. What other career do you get paid weeks off at a time (school vacation) every holiday, months off in the summer.
Don't forget a lifetime of benefits, early retirement, tenure, free healthcare....
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I don't feel bad so long they continue to be part of a domestic terrorist organization - teachers union

Get rid of the union and we can talk, but we are going year round with hours closer to working parents.

Performance reviews, bonuses, salary based on content and student age vs time in job.

No stacking vacation hrs and cashing out at retirement and setting your pension pay based on that last pay check
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Let me try that again.
Has it been determined/proven as fact that the teachers demanding more pay are the best teachers?
Not a relevant question to my statement. Low pay will not keep the few good ones we already have, and will not attract any new good ones. It’s a pretty terrible problem with no seemingly good answer.
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Old 05-16-2018, 09:43 PM   #13
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Not a relevant question to my statement. Low pay will not keep the few good ones we already have, and will not attract any new good ones. It’s a pretty terrible problem with no seemingly good answer.
It's absolutely relevant to your statement.
The same --unfounded / without data backing it that you suggested-- could be made into that the "good teachers" aren't in it for money.

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And it's not a "terrible problem" -it's a simple one. Pursue the career that pays what you what expect in compensation for your effort --going to work at McDonalds and expecting a doctor's pay is not a well thought out plan.
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Not a relevant question to my statement. Low pay will not keep the few good ones we already have, and will not attract any new good ones. It’s a pretty terrible problem with no seemingly good answer.
LMAO, like it even matters. Teachers don't matter for d1ck until undergrad anyway. High school and below are basically glorified babysitters. They should be happy to even get a living wage, imo.
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LMAO, like it even matters. Teachers don't matter for d1ck until undergrad anyway. High school and below are basically glorified babysitters. They should be happy to even get a living wage, imo.
exactly.




don't worry.. they are all advocating for the ipad to take over all teaching duties.

most of them will be eliminated within the next 10 years.
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Old 05-17-2018, 03:10 AM   #17
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it should be performance based... unlike how it is here in CA for example...

reason ?

beginner teachers should get a baseline pay...
a good teacher is worth double the pay...
a great teacher is worth 3 times the pay...


everyone else should not be teaching
What would the criteria be for determining this?
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Old 05-17-2018, 03:48 AM   #18
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it should be performance based... unlike how it is here in CA for example...

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beginner teachers should get a baseline pay...
a good teacher is worth double the pay...
a great teacher is worth 3 times the pay...


everyone else should not be teaching
This is a terrible idea. Who and how would you determine the criteria? And all could be manipulated. Performance based incentives have shown in the past to make teachers manipulate test scores to make then seem better than they were. Then you could have good teachers that are not liked by faculty and then no raise or bare minimum.
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Don't they have a teachers union? They'll negotiate higher pay and everyone's taxes will go up.
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LMAO, like it even matters. Teachers don't matter for d1ck until undergrad anyway. High school and below are basically glorified babysitters. They should be happy to even get a living wage, imo.
Disagree with you on high school - those teachers can have significant influence on prep and readiness for college/college entrance testing - better college better career options.

At the Jr High and Elementary Levels I agree.
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So teachers are essentially useless until college?
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So teachers are essentially useless until college?
I wouldn't say 'useless' but there are plenty of kids being home schooled by non-teachers using same curriculum.
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Unfortunately to many kids a teacher is their only parent figure. They are the only ones disciplining them or teaching them any sort of knowledge.
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Unfortunately to many kids a teacher is their only parent figure. They are the only ones disciplining them or teaching them any sort of knowledge.
And that is where they turn into libtard zombies.

I think I discussed this before, but at the golf course clubhouse I frequent, the local teachers go to hang out after 'work.' The way they speak and the crap that comes out of their mouths is ridiculous, to the point you can't believe they are teaching children.
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LMAO, like it even matters. Teachers don't matter for d1ck until undergrad anyway. High school and below are basically glorified babysitters. They should be happy to even get a living wage, imo.
Right... How long did your wife torment over where you were going to put your demon spawn?

I'm sure your more educated wife has a different tune.
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So teachers are essentially useless until college?
Did you not go to high school? 4 years of high school for me, total of probably around 40 teachers that I regularly interacted with. I'd say that 38 or 39 of them were nothing more than babysitters. They were completely unnecessary.
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Right... How long did your wife torment over where you were going to put your demon spawn?

I'm sure your more educated wife has a different tune.
Just because people torment over it doesn't mean that it matters. People torment over all sorts of stupid shiit. And actually my highly educated wife does have a different tune. She says it doesn't really even matter until you get to grad school. Most professors treat their undergrad classes with contempt since teaching undergrad is an obligation, not a passion. The professors aren't there to teach kids. They're there to further their research.
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Just because people torment over it doesn't mean that it matters. People torment over all sorts of stupid shiit. And actually my highly educated wife does have a different tune. She says it doesn't really even matter until you get to grad school. Most professors treat their undergrad classes with contempt since teaching undergrad is an obligation, not a passion. The professors aren't there to teach kids. They're there to further their research.
Definitely true of many universities - most undergrad classes taught by TAs vs actual professors.
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teachers and police officers deal with the trash of society. they deserve to be paid decent wages.
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teachers and police officers deal with the trash of society. they deserve to be paid decent wages.
Cops get paid. Overpaid lots of times.

Some cops in my town are getting paid close to $200k to shove flashlights in other guys' asses.
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Cops get paid. Overpaid lots of times.

Some cops in my town are getting paid close to $200k to shove flashlights in other guys' asses.
you must be so jealous. Sort of explains your hate for element.
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In the district the OP link is, teachers make on average $67k annually -IF they worked 12mos a year? ($5X,000, because they only work 9mos a year).
How much should they make?

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By the way, that $67k is in NC, where the cost of living is low compared to a lot of places in the US.
That's not bad. There were some posts on reddit from a couple in (I think it was) AZ. She made like 31 after 5 years, and with tenure, he made 42 or so after 11 years.
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Some cops in my town are getting paid close to $200k to shove flashlights in other guys' asses.
Same ones that think citizens shouldn’t be allowed to own guns?
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you must be so jealous. Sort of explains your hate for element.
Damn right I’m jealous of small town cops who do nothing all day. I actually have to work for my money.
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Same ones that think citizens shouldn’t be allowed to own guns?
$200k to police a town of 7k people with zero crime

This is why NJ taxes are so absurdly high.
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$200k to police a town of 7k people with zero crime

This is why NJ taxes are so absurdly high.
but its the best place with the best people and best police. that why you love the high taxes, high real estate, and high COL.

its paradise.
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but its the best place with the best people and best police. that why you love the high taxes, high real estate, and high COL.

its paradise.
The best people. Believe me.
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but its the best place with the best people and best police. that why you love the high taxes, high real estate, and high COL.

its paradise.
You forgot all the corruption
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This is why NJ taxes are so absurdly high.


Last time I checked 60% of my taxes went to education!
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