351 in an SN95?

[Cloud]

Is it difficult to swap in a 351? Is it about the same in supercharging? I really don't know much about them, other than some 94 and 95s had them; and my friend has a 72 Gran Torino with one.

I'm thinking up a dream build, and this is probably what I'm gonna put in my old beast.

[Davetopay]

You don't want the early 70's style 351w if you are looking for easy. Find a roller cammed 351 with the one piece rear seal. Then you will need a a fox swap kit with the oil pan and timing cover and oil pump bits, good heads, and a 351w lower and a compatable fuelie upper intake. Also throw in for a set of 351 swap headers, a taller hood, and distributor.

For all the effort it takes to swap a 351w into your car, why not just stroke a 302? ....unless you plan on stroking the crap out of the 351 well into the 400's.....

[bolt-on-bandito]

yeah......



if you want to have a threshold wayyyyy higher then a 302

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by bolt-on-bandito

yeah......



if you want to have a threshold wayyyyy higher then a 302

I was thinking about getting a stroked and bored 302, but I heard some SN95s had a 351 and I thought it would be easier to find parts that would match- I always see part listings for 5.0/5.8. Not worried about money too much cause I'm saving up and this is going to be a planned build- not going to be drag racing too much; it'll be a DD in the summer and I'll buy a winter car. Just something I'm thinking about since mine has 205,000 miles and the Check Engine Light is turning on randomly. Really it would be either this or a big block with a blower sticking through the hood.

[bolt-on-bandito]

there was a cobra R that came with a 351. good luck finding one. most parts are SN 302/351 things like the timing cover, water pump, accesorries etc...

the build will cost ya, but most of the parts are performance based anyway, and you would need to buy them regardless.

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by Cloud

I was thinking about getting a stroked and bored 302, but I heard some SN95s had a 351 and I thought it would be easier to find parts that would match- I always see part listings for 5.0/5.8. Not worried about money too much cause I'm saving up and this is going to be a planned build- not going to be drag racing too much; it'll be a DD in the summer and I'll buy a winter car. Just something I'm thinking about since mine has 205,000 miles and the Check Engine Light is turning on randomly. Really it would be either this or a big block with a blower sticking through the hood.

the 302 stroker is easier, as you can buy standard 302 mustang parts.. 351 block can take more of a beating.. anything over about 450 rwhp you are asking for trouble with a stock 302, even with a stroker kit (its the block itself that is weak).. a 351 is stronger, but it is also heavier, and you need some "swap" parts.. now if youw ant to stay 302 based , you can buy stronger 302 blocks that can hold as much/more power than a 351..


really the overall cost for both ends up about the same, just pick where you want to spend the money they can both make tonnes of power, price will be similar.

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

the 302 stroker is easier, as you can buy standard 302 mustang parts.. 351 block can take more of a beating.. anything over about 450 rwhp you are asking for trouble with a stock 302, even with a stroker kit (its the block itself that is weak).. a 351 is stronger, but it is also heavier, and you need some "swap" parts.. now if youw ant to stay 302 based , you can buy stronger 302 blocks that can hold as much/more power than a 351..


really the overall cost for both ends up about the same, just pick where you want to spend the money they can both make tonnes of power, price will be similar.

Really, it's just the novelty factor. And having a larger engine than a lot of the Stangs around where I live.

Is it really difficult finding supercharger kits for these? Another thing I'm worried about is computer stuff- stock one won't work, correct? How do I go about getting a tune? Random shop? And what are my options, if any, for an automatic?

[bolt-on-bandito]

your asking all the big questions.

1) build the motor. high compression, N/A or low compression + boost.
2)figure out if you will go EFI or carbed
3) find a local tuner, nothing beats word of mouth
4) if power added, you can find one all day long.

the stock computer parameter's are useless once you do a H/C/I so go carbed, or go tuned.

just my .02

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by Cloud

Really, it's just the novelty factor. And having a larger engine than a lot of the Stangs around where I live.

Is it really difficult finding supercharger kits for these? Another thing I'm worried about is computer stuff- stock one won't work, correct? How do I go about getting a tune? Random shop? And what are my options, if any, for an automatic?

a 331 or 347 is just as unique as a 351 imo.. and honestly, your friends looking under the hood arnt going to be able to tell the diffrence between the two.. a 351 is phyiscally bigger, but its not enough that its like ZOMG HUGE ENGINE!!!! when you pop the hood, your average person wont really notice, especially once you lay the intake wiring and airfilter over it, it really hides the diffrence.


if the car has a 302 in it now, i would say just leave that in there, and pick up a nice h/c/i or a supercharger and call it a day.. to build a whole new motor, and then put a blower on it, and set up a new fuel/ign setup is A LOT of money.







edit: if you want to go to all the hassle of an engine swap, 460s fit in mustangs just fine

[Bruse Wayne]

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by Bruse Wayne

slow

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

if the car has a 302 in it now, i would say just leave that in there, and pick up a nice h/c/i or a supercharger and call it a day.. to build a whole new motor, and then put a blower on it, and set up a new fuel/ign setup is A LOT of money.







edit: if you want to go to all the hassle of an engine swap, 460s fit in mustangs just fine

460 Maybe..What's the biggest engine (that Ford offers) that I can put in?

This is all stuff that I'm dreaming up, but I think I'll end up with a supercharged 351 then. I'm still driving the thing in the Chicago winter- next year I'll get me a decent DD and probably just freshen up the block and put new gaskets and stuff while I'm saving up. 200,000+ miles, new timing chain maybe? :

[Bruse Wayne]

Originally Posted by 95 Bullitt

TeamSteeda

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by 95 Bullitt

If you truly want to do it...this is what I know you need.

TeamSteeda I mean uh..Bruse Wayne might be able to assist me if I miss a few things.

You don't need a hood (necessarily) but it is likely. Stock K-member is fine. Stock mounts are fine. If you get a roller block 1994+

- Oil pan
- distributor
- lower intake
- 190lph or larger pump
- wider fuel rails
- swap headers
- longer belt

If you use a short factory-style intake (e.g. Cobra or GT40) you can make it fit under a normal hood without too much trouble.

...there's probably more, I'm just forgetting some.

on a fox its so close on the hood that the ONLY place that hit was a little bolt on the top of the throttle body.. it looked like it would fit fine when we did my buddys car, so he drops the hood.. bang.. and a little nickel sized speed dent popped up in the middle of the hood

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by 95 Bullitt

The dude I got my info did a conversion on his 95 GT - he had a 96-98 Cobra Hood if that has any more clearance than the GT - I don't know.

He said it fit fine, it was really close but it fit with the stock K-Member etc.

Good to know I won't have too much trouble. Can't wait to get started and buy a sh!tload of parts : Who know when, though- pretty much when the current motor goes.

[Bruse Wayne]

Originally Posted by 95 Bullitt

The dude I got my info did a conversion on his 95 GT - he had a 96-98 Cobra Hood if that has any more clearance than the GT - I don't know.

He said it fit fine, it was really close but it fit with the stock K-Member etc.

mine did not come close to shuting

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by Bruse Wayne

mine did not come close to shuting

What did you do to rectify the problem? It makes sense that since they were stock on the Cobra R, if I just bought one of those hoods it wouldn't hit, right? I wonder what I would use to tune this biotch, stock Cobra R computer?

[MRBiggs]

Originally Posted by Cloud

What did you do to rectify the problem? It makes sense that since they were stock on the Cobra R, if I just bought one of those hoods it wouldn't hit, right? I wonder what I would use to tune this biotch, stock Cobra R computer?

I think he meant with the stock hood his wouldn't fit. But I think the big issue is what intake or lower intake you run.
If he has a big intake, well chances are it wouldn't fit with stock hood.

As for tuning, you could just run a chip or a PMS or one of the other standalone type setups.

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by MRBiggs

I think he meant with the stock hood his wouldn't fit. But I think the big issue is what intake or lower intake you run.
If he has a big intake, well chances are it wouldn't fit with stock hood.

As for tuning, you could just run a chip or a PMS or one of the other standalone type setups.

I understand, but what if everything was pretty much stock for the Cobra R? Pretty much like a clone. I just really hate cowl hoods I don't like how they interfere with the body lines.

Next big question is junkyard block or brand new from Ford?

[bolt-on-bandito]

how much $ do you have???

i am doing a stroked 351 swap right now. i am going carbed, and i have a big cowl hood. i don't know if you ever put a HP figure into this, but even the thinnest cast 351 blocks will handle sick amounts of power. an aftermarket block is always better, but it's $$$$. i bought a 351 out of a van complete. i had it delivered to me for $250. i ended up selling all the stocker parts for about 1K ! ! that payed for (most) of my stroker kit.


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I love my cowl.

everything i have read says that a cowl is in order. heck, even my cobxplorer intake would have needed some room under the stock hood. i am sure you could do it, but why limit the intake you can run? some people say vert mounts, and k-members will be needed but i found a hood cheaper. i would love the benefits of a aftermarket k-member, but there is a lot of money needed for this swap. i started out thinking i could do this really cheap, turns out i have about 2k in the block,machining, roatating assembly. another 2k in the valve train, 7 qt pan, headers, heads, fuel pump lines, and lower intake.
At this point i will need a clutch, carb, and some misc stuff (throttle linkage, etc...) and this is all running thru a stock t-5, so a trans will be on the list next winter.

this also assumes you have your car frame tied, and have a decent exhaust, stuff like that. i have sold lots of my old stuff to finance this build. this is thge cheapest way i see how to do this. you can do whatever you chose, but if $ IS an issue, then follow my advice.

good luck.

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by Cloud

I understand, but what if everything was pretty much stock for the Cobra R? Pretty much like a clone. I just really hate cowl hoods I don't like how they interfere with the body lines.

Next big question is junkyard block or brand new from Ford?

if you arent going for stupid high hp numbers (800+) i would just get a junkyard block, you usually have to machine the new blocks too so you dont save much money in machine work by going new, if you were going 302 baised id say definately get a new boss block from ford, since the stocker cant hold much power, but the 351w blocks are fine

[modo]

unless you are going to spend the money to do it right with a really nice set of heads /rotating assembly / cam etc it is not worth the additional effort / $ / weight


.02

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by modo

unless you are going to spend the money to do it right with a really nice set of heads /rotating assembly / cam etc it is not worth the additional effort / $ / weight


.02

[IRSmart]

if you just want the bragging rights of having a huge engine, my two cents says the modular 6.8 V10. screw saying you have a large displacement, you have a V10.

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by IRSmart

if you just want the bragging rights of having a huge engine, my two cents says the modular 6.8 V10. screw saying you have a large displacement, you have a V10.

and have it be slower than an h/c/i 302 and cost 3-6x as much, brilliant

[MRBiggs]

Originally Posted by IRSmart

if you just want the bragging rights of having a huge engine, my two cents says the modular 6.8 V10. screw saying you have a large displacement, you have a V10.

Get out.

[MRBiggs]

Originally Posted by 95 Bullitt

Seriously... GD modular people coming in here sticking their nose in $hit they know nothing about.




BTW, what did TeamSteedas 351 make? Did he ever say?
I'm looking at doing a 351-based stroker (393 or 408) myself. But I dont know if his was a stroker or not.
This Rotrex blower setup is pretty cool and fun on the Cobra and all, but I kinda think it'd be more fun with lots of inches and compression. Then maybe the Oinker could get this one-off blower setup along with a Dart block since its a much better car to look at than the red one. hahhaa

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by MRBiggs

Seriously... GD modular people coming in here sticking their nose in $hit they know nothing about.




BTW, what did TeamSteedas 351 make? Did he ever say?
I'm looking at doing a 351-based stroker (393 or 408) myself. But I dont know if his was a stroker or not.

in fairness modo and i hijack threads over there on a regular basis.. but at least we for the most part know what we are talking about, unlike the noob in this thread

[Cream Puff]

hey did you guys hear something? must have been the wind

[IRSmart]

hey, he said that he wanted braging rights. well, even though it may not be as fast, which apparently isn't as important to him as evidenced earlier in this thread, a V10 SN95 would definately have some bragging rights.

Originally Posted by MRBiggs

Get out.

and my opinion is just as important as yours, so go fvck yourself

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by IRSmart

hey, he said that he wanted braging rights. well, even though it may not be as fast, which apparently isn't as important to him as evidenced earlier in this thread, a V10 SN95 would definately have some bragging rights.

and my opinion is just as important as yours, so go fvck yourself

bragging rights on what exactly? being expensive and slow?

[MRBiggs]

Originally Posted by IRSmart

and my opinion is just as important as yours, so go fvck yourself

Not in here its not.
Know why?

Because unlike yours mine is INFORMED.




BTW, just a little advice... its a tight knit group of long time posters in this area of MW. And besides pushrod motors, the one thing we have in common is that we dont do much other than troll the lounge and other rooms.

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by MRBiggs

Not in here its not.
Know why?

Because unlike yours mine is INFORMED.




BTW, just a little advice... its a tight knit group of long time posters in this area of MW. And besides pushrod motors, the one thing we have in common is that we dont do much other than troll the lounge and other rooms.

getting paid to troll ftw

[modo]

there is a whole lotta luv in here

[hnkstang50]

cloud just to hit a few points... your check engine light goin on and off does not mean your motor is in need or replacement... its more likely a emissions device not working that you would be getting rid of when you swap to a 351 and then that light would be on all the time... also you say money is not a problem but i think you should sit down a price it all out before you dive into it cause if you need this as a dd and you run out of cash your goin to end up with a unreliable car to drive around. a 351 swap with nice parts can end up costing a good amount. also if you get a junk yard motor out of a truck or van and keep the stock heads, intake and cam its goin to be a weak motor.

stock computer will work with a tune, no big deal there.

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by hnkstang50

cloud just to hit a few points... your check engine light goin on and off does not mean your motor is in need or replacement... its more likely a emissions device not working that you would be getting rid of when you swap to a 351 and then that light would be on all the time... also you say money is not a problem but i think you should sit down a price it all out before you dive into it cause if you need this as a dd and you run out of cash your goin to end up with a unreliable car to drive around. a 351 swap with nice parts can end up costing a good amount. also if you get a junk yard motor out of a truck or van and keep the stock heads, intake and cam its goin to be a weak motor.

stock computer will work with a tune, no big deal there.

it should be noted also that it is ALWAYS way more than you think, if you think it will be 5 grand, budget for about 8.. and thank me later

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by 95 Bullitt

Absolutely.

NOTHING ever goes 100% perfect when tearing down a motor/replacing a motor etc.

There is always something that you did not expect.

i think what i should have said, is if you think it will be 5, budget for 8, so you arnt as mad when its 11

[hnkstang50]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

i think what i should have said, is if you think it will be 5, budget for 8, so you arnt as mad when its 11

bingo.. i think i had close to 2k into my machine work on my block for the stroker when i build it... i thought it would only be around 500

[bolt-on-bandito]

yeah, i am in that boat too. as far as HP, a mild cammed 351-408 can make 500HP pretty easy. good flowing heads, good compression, bingo.

just don't expect to use ANYTHING other then the block. sell the heads, intake, cam, etc.....

AND if/when you do this drop 1k on a DD jap car. other wise you will be losing your job/home, selling perform parts for bus fare.

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by hnkstang50

... its more likely a emissions device not working that you would be getting rid of when you swap to a 351 and then that light would be on all the time... also you say money is not a problem but i think you should sit down a price it all out before you dive into it cause if you need this as a dd and you run out of cash your goin to end up with a unreliable car to drive around

stock computer will work with a tune, no big deal there.

Love the drama here

The light hasn't come on for a few days, so it was probably a misfire or something like that. So the light will stay on anyway? What if I keep the EGR system hooked up? It's been a while since I was in Autos class, but I thought EGR was mainly to stop engine from overheating? How much HP could it rob? What I plan on doing is putting more small stuff on it this winter, then next buying a DD and by then I will have started building up the motor- AFRs seem to be the head of choice, then what cam and intake?