hey modo, can i get a couple screen shots of your aem software

[Cream Puff]

id like to see how it works on the CPU side of things

[Cream Puff]

[MySlow2002GT]

I hope you understand the in depths of tuning.

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by MySlow2002GT

I hope you understand the in depths of tuning.

i understand the basic theory, but ive never done it myself, thats why i wanna haev a look at it.

no one locally can tune an efi ford, and i dont know if i want the hassle of a blow through setup if this wanting a blower holds up till fall. so i dont know what to do

[MySlow2002GT]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

i understand the basic theory, but ive never done it myself, thats why i wanna haev a look at it.

no one locally can tune an efi ford, and i dont know if i want the hassle of a blow through setup if this wanting a blower holds up till fall. so i dont know what to do

Not hard, but a good tuner is the one that can make drivability better than stock.

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by MySlow2002GT

Not hard, but a good tuner is the one that can make drivability better than stock.

from what ive been reading on blowthrough setups its a huge biatch to get them to idle nice if you want it to make good power up top.. wich is a problem on a car that gets driven 7 days a week weather permitting.. so im starting to lean towards selling my carb junk come fall and doing a vr efi and some kind of engine managment.. i like the specs on the aem as then i can sell all my msd stuff too since the aem is its own ign box




thoughts?

[Cream Puff]

and desktop dyno (i know, i know) is going to make me buy a blower forsure, holy fack does this thing wake up with a novi

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by 95 Bullitt

Where is your closest tuner?

there is a place with a dyno ~3 hrs away, but the closest tuner that does higher hp stuff is like 8+

[modo]

just download the software and play with it yourself...

http://forum.aempower.com/downloads/...ease070406.EXE

start up calibrations are in

C:\Program Files\AEM\AEMPro\Startup Calibrations

instructions and a lot of other good info is in

C:\Program Files\AEM\AEMPro\Instructions

[Cream Puff]

thanks..

im thinking that considering my carb is worth like ~700 bucks, nevermind all the other stuff, it shouldnt cost me TOO much to switch when i get to that point and sell off some sh!z

[modo]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

thanks..

im thinking that considering my carb is worth like ~700 bucks, nevermind all the other stuff, it shouldnt cost me TOO much to switch when i get to that point and sell off some sh!z

well you took the damn harness out of the car weirdo... just made a lot of work for yourself

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by modo

well you took the damn harness out of the car weirdo... just made a lot of work for yourself

yea i know

ill just suck up the ~500 bucks and buy the complete AEM harness too i guess

[modo]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

yea i know

ill just suck up the ~500 bucks and buy the complete AEM harness too i guess

homey the benefit of the aem setup is it is plug and play... uses the factory harness lol


you can buy the aem race version which has a harness if you wish... computer is a little different but not much

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by modo

homey the benefit of the aem setup is it is plug and play... uses the factory harness lol


you can buy the aem race version which has a harness if you wish... computer is a little different but not much

yea thats the one i was looking at (the one with the harness)

[Cream Puff]

im correct in reading that it has a onboard wideband, as well as injector drivers, ign module, and 2 step, yes?

so basically i need the aem cpu and harness, then sensors/injectors and thats it right

[modo]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

im correct in reading that it has a onboard wideband, as well as injector drivers, ign module, and 2 step, yes?

so basically i need the aem cpu and harness, then sensors/injectors and thats it right

yup

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by modo

yup

hmm, that might not end up costing me too much to upgrade then, since i can sell all this msd garbage, my air fuel gauge and so on

[hnkstang50]

cant you set up aem with a wideband to make wot adaptions.... basicly let it tune its afr?

creampuff my brother has aem in his car. at first its alot to look at but its preaty easy to use. the hardest part is figuring out exactly what you want to change to make your adjustment.

[modo]

Originally Posted by hnkstang50

cant you set up aem with a wideband to make wot adaptions.... basicly let it tune its afr?

creampuff my brother has aem in his car. at first its alot to look at but its preaty easy to use. the hardest part is figuring out exactly what you want to change to make your adjustment.

yeah you can automap it. i find its easier to get it real close myself, then super fine tune it with the automap.

[Cream Puff]

im poking around the program right now, dosnt look too complicated as far as the layout goes, but holy hell is there alot of stuff you can change

[MySlow2002GT]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

im poking around the program right now, dosnt look too complicated as far as the layout goes, but holy hell is there alot of stuff you can change

Don't change anything you don't know about. Just a word of advice.

[modo]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

im poking around the program right now, dosnt look too complicated as far as the layout goes, but holy hell is there alot of stuff you can change

you can change everything


read the manual, then read it again... then read it one more time... understand what all the tables do

the nitrous controls are pimp. i am going to use them to control my meth

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by MySlow2002GT

Don't change anything you don't know about. Just a word of advice.

yea im just poking around right now, if i do end up buying a setup, i will delete this and start completely over with a fresh un tampered with table obviously.

[modo]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

yea im just poking around right now, if i do end up buying a setup, i will delete this and start completely over with a fresh un tampered with table obviously.

the base table is a great start... i used the 2 bar map one that is in the startup folder. changed the map to the 3.5 bar, then ran the change injector wizard to go from the 19s to the 83s.

car fired right up and i started tuning.

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by modo

you can change everything


read the manual, then read it again... then read it one more time... understand what all the tables do

the nitrous controls are pimp. i am going to use them to control my meth

yea i see that, i was just kinda doing the math in my head here a week or 2 ago, and by the time i buy all the extra sh!t i need JUST for the nitrous setup, nevermind if i switch to a blower, there is almost no reason to not switch.

either i need to seperately buy (or already have)

ign box
wideband
2 step (since i already have a 6al, or i sell and buy a digi 7 etc but still)
nitrous controller


at this point im basically 1/2 the price of the aem unit, and thats JUST if i keep the nitrous setup i have now and add the extra stuff i need.


and selling my carb/intake should easily buy me injectors and a victor efi and elbow

[modo]

you don't have to convince me that fuel injection is the way to go. i regret not doing the standalone sooner

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by modo

you don't have to convince me that fuel injection is the way to go. i regret not doing the standalone sooner

im trying to convince myself by talking out loud.. help a brother out

[Cream Puff]

so lets see what else id need other than the aem unit..


aem cpu/harness
victor efi/elbow (would this come with a tps sensor i wonder)
fuel rails
efi fuel pump/regulator
8 injectors
2 - o2 sensors (factory ford ones or should i buy some from aem)
2 - egt sensors
1 - coolant sensor (would the autometer sensor work, or need a factory/aem also)


i know im missing some other sh!z here, make a list.. go!

[331 LX]

Originally Posted by modo

well you took the damn harness out of the car weirdo... just made a lot of work for yourself

.

[modo]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

so lets see what else id need other than the aem unit..


aem cpu/harness
victor efi/elbow (would this come with a tps sensor i wonder)
fuel rails
efi fuel pump/regulator
8 injectors
2 - o2 sensors (factory ford ones or should i buy some from aem)
2 - egt sensors
1 - coolant sensor (would the autometer sensor work, or need a factory/aem also)


i know im missing some other sh!z here, make a list.. go!

you don't need narrowband o2s... just one or two widebands, thats up to you. any sensor will work. if its not in the wizard you just need the voltage reference which most vendors supply. i know you can get the autometer sending unit info

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by modo

you don't need narrowband o2s... just one or two widebands, thats up to you. any sensor will work. if its not in the wizard you just need the voltage reference which most vendors supply. i know you can get the autometer sending unit info

so the above is basically it as long as the intake elbow has a place for a tps sensor, yea

[modo]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

so the above is basically it as long as the intake elbow has a place for a tps sensor, yea

pretty much

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by modo

pretty much

i saw in the other thread you said the aem does not use a maf sensor or anything?

[modo]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

i saw in the other thread you said the aem does not use a maf sensor or anything?

you use the maf or a map sensor

map is the way to go

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by modo

you use the maf or a map sensor

map is the way to go

map sensor goes in the intake tube at the TB right?

edit: if you were building a setup from scratch, would you just put 1 wideband in 1 header, and an EGT in the other side, or would you put one of each in both banks

[modo]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

map sensor goes in the intake tube at the TB right?

no you want it after the tb... it needs to see vacuum. i have mine threaded right into the upper intake on the bottom of it.

[modo]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

map sensor goes in the intake tube at the TB right?

edit: if you were building a setup from scratch, would you just put 1 wideband in 1 header, and an EGT in the other side, or would you put one of each in both banks

wideband needs to be downstream a bit. i have mine in the driver side h pipe stock o2 location.

if i was doing it all over again i would add another to the pass side to have the dual readings. i wouldnt worry about the egt probes. a trick a friend of mine uses is he takes a laser heat gun to the header tubes (usually 7/8) and compares them to the rest after a pull on the dyno. typically on blower cars 7 and 8 are leaner cause of the the intake. you can add a little more fuel to just 7/8 to keep them cooler

[Cream Puff]

Originally Posted by modo

wideband needs to be downstream a bit. i have mine in the driver side h pipe stock o2 location.

if i was doing it all over again i would add another to the pass side to have the dual readings. i wouldnt worry about the egt probes. a trick a friend of mine uses is he takes a laser heat gun to the header tubes (usually 7/8) and compares them to the rest after a pull on the dyno. typically on blower cars 7 and 8 are leaner cause of the the intake. you can add a little more fuel to just 7/8 to keep them cooler

on a single plane intake style like a victor efi (wich is basically a vr jr with injectors tapped into it, the 7-8 leaning out problem should be not as bad due to the fact the air is being blown straight down to the base of the manifold, instead of a long runner efi setup like a stock intake, no?

[modo]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

on a single plane intake style like a victor efi (wich is basically a vr jr with injectors tapped into it, the 7-8 leaning out problem should be not as bad due to the fact the air is being blown straight down to the base of the manifold, instead of a long runner efi setup like a stock intake, no?

i have problems with 7 and 8 on mine.... every car is different but 7/8 are usually the culprits

[DSTURBD]

Originally Posted by Cream Puff

im poking around the program right now, dosnt look too complicated as far as the layout goes, but holy hell is there alot of stuff you can change

Have you looked into MegaSquirt??