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Old 09-08-2009, 02:53 PM   #21
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How dare she challenge authority? Right wing Taliban extremist need to be stopped.

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Jesus Christ. I have no faith in elected government at all. They get their supporters going with grand promises but when asked for details they have no fvcking clue what they're talkng about. Of course, they can't say they have no idea, they have to spew off a bunch of random sh1t instead.
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Old 09-08-2009, 03:04 PM   #22
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The majority of the initiatives that would pay for reform will come from cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. We want to take money that is already being spent on health care and re-allocate it toward reforms that lower costs and assure quality affordable health care for all Americans.

The cuts we are talking about involve spending that currently does not improve care for Americans. For example, we would save $177 billion in unwarranted subsidies to the insurance industry in the next ten years and put that money into actual care for people. These and other reforms will strengthen and stabilize Medicare.

But it’s not enough to stop there. Health insurance reform must also encourage the kinds of reforms we know will save money in the long run: preventive care; computerized record-keeping; and comparative effectiveness studies to expose wasteful procedures and hospitalizations and give doctors the tools to make the right treatments for you.

We currently spend more than $2 trillion dollars a year on health care. Health insurance reform will make a short-term investment of roughly $100 billion a year to lower costs and relieve the crushing financial burden that is eating into family budgets, forcing families into bankruptcy, making it hard for businesses to expand and grow, and preventing the government from using your tax dollars to create jobs, improve education, rebuild our infrastructure. Health insurance reform would be fully paid for over 10 years, and it would not add one penny to the deficit.

Let’s also remember that we can’t afford not to reform health care. The cost of inaction is too high. Health care spending has grown in recent years three times faster than average wages. Premiums have doubled in this decade. Out of pocket costs for people with insurance have gone up by 32 percent. Businesses are buckling under health care costs. One out of every six dollars in this country is spent on health care. Soon it will be one in five. If we do nothing, in 30 years, one third of this country’s economic output will be tied up in the health care system. Health care is the fastest-growing item in the federal budget. It is absolutely unsustainable. These costs are crushing families and businesses, keeping wages flat, stunting our economic growth, strangling our government. We have to bring costs under control now.


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Old 09-08-2009, 03:07 PM   #23
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Maybe some politicians should do some homework before spouting off, no?
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Old 09-08-2009, 03:10 PM   #24
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Maybe some politicians should do some homework before spouting off, no?

Certainly.

On both sides. Half of this "death panel" and "forced euthanasia" talk started with Republicans referring to it on the Senate and House floors. Sh*t doesn't exist.

And I've watched a series of gotcha-style, catch-em-in-the-street interviews with dozens upon dozens upon DOZENS of House/Senate Republicans who refuse to even acknowledge Obama was born in this country. It's astounding. (Olbermann clips -- you can probably find 'em on YouTube.)
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Old 09-08-2009, 03:20 PM   #25
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Certainly.

On both sides. Half of this "death panel" and "forced euthanasia" talk started with Republicans referring to it on the Senate and House floors. Sh*t doesn't exist.

And I've watched a series of gotcha-style, catch-em-in-the-street interviews with dozens upon dozens upon DOZENS of House/Senate Republicans who refuse to even acknowledge Obama was born in this country. It's astounding. (Olbermann clips -- you can probably find 'em on YouTube.)



Olbermann is the worst cable news anchor...the network is horrible.
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Of course, it’s easier for the president to attack Republicans than it is to come up with new excuses for his broken promises and failing policies. For someone who asked to be held to the highest standard, President Obama spends an awful lot of time making excuses and whining about others. The American people want leadership from the White House and a serious focus on job creation, not childish partisanship.
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Old 09-08-2009, 03:24 PM   #26
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Old 09-08-2009, 03:26 PM   #27
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Olbermann is the worst cable news anchor...the network is horrible.

he's not a news anchor.

learn the difference.
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Old 09-08-2009, 03:33 PM   #28
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I need to order one of these

I have healthcare....I don't (will not) have social security though

I wish the long legged mack daddy would fix that 1st
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Old 09-08-2009, 03:48 PM   #29
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I need to order one of these

I have healthcare....I don't (will not) have social security though

I wish the long legged mack daddy would fix that 1st

I have that one on my truck
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Old 09-08-2009, 05:14 PM   #30
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I need to order one of these

I have healthcare....I don't (will not) have social security though

I wish the long legged mack daddy would fix that 1st


it's fvcked and has always been fvcked. Attempting to fix it was one of bush's last laughable attempts at being a president, and everyone knew ss was screwed no matter what.

Does devil even realize how much the current "health care system" costs the government right now? It's a hugely FVCKED system that needs to be fixed.
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Old 09-08-2009, 06:32 PM   #31
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Looks like they might also fine people that don't sign up

Penalties for failing to do so would start at $750 a year for individuals and $1,500 for families. Households making more than three times the federal poverty level — about $66,000 for a family of four — would face the maximum fines. For families, it would be $3,800, and for individuals, $950.

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